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Will
United States
Miami
Florida
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Situation: My five space enclosure that generates two coins upon being filled, is currently full with five camels (Four non-fertile, and one fertile female). On my turn i spend one coin to move a non-fertile camel to the barn. On my next turn (assuming the situation is at hand) I take a truck which has a fertile male camel on it. I place the fertile male into the five pen successfully refilling the pen plus creating an offspring. this would give me two camels on which to build a new enclosure with, plus give me a profit of one coin. is this legal? I understand just moving an animal out of a pen and then moving it back in is redundant, because the money earned would be the same as the money spent. But is the above legal, allowing me to profit twice on filling a pen (with the same animal type), with the added bonus of beginning a new pen with two of a like animal (currently in the barn)?
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United States
Greer
South Carolina
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Re: moving animals to take advantage of money generating pen
When I was taught the game last week, the explainer mentioned that it's possible to move animals from your 4-pen to your 5-pen, increase it, and draw the money bonus off of the same group of animals in both pens. I don't know about manipulating a single pen of the same animals, though.
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Will
United States
Miami
Florida
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yeah, i know about the pen switching, from the four to five as you mentioned. And as i see it normally, as i think i pointed out in my initial pondering, that moving an animal out and back in is redundant or it will actually lose you money, but its the idea of moving one out and drafting an animal from a truck to refill a pen that is bothering me. I see no answers to it in the rules. It simply states that paying the moving cost entitles you to move any one tile on your board (animal/concession stand), and it clearly states that no bonus can be achieved by exchanging, but nothing about manipulating the animals in a pen and on a truck to refill and turn profit. I can only imagine that it is legal. Anyway, thanks for your reply.
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Re: moving animals to take advantage of money generating pen
As we understand the rules, it is legal.
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Michael Schacht
Germany
Frankfurt
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Re: moving animals to take advantage of money generating pen
hi William,
it is legal.
in your example you win one money but you have 2 animals in the barn (-2 points).
there are other ways you might have better profit f. e. like the example from Verkisto.
nice dice
Michael
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Will
United States
Miami
Florida
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Thank you all very much. And a big thank you to Michael Schacht for responding.
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(Sorry - made a pig's ear of my first reply). Is the following legal (I really hope it's not). You have 5 monkeys in your 5-space enclosure and 3 monkeys int he 4-space enclosure. You pay a coin, move a monkey to the 4-space enclosure and get your coin back. In your next turn, you move a monkey back to your 5-space enclosure and score 2 coins. Can you not keep doing this forever (or until the coins run out). I Sincerely hope I've got a rule wrong.
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Alan Aspinwall
United States
Laurel
Maryland
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Re: moving animals to take advantage of money generating pen
philip kendall wrote: (Sorry - made a pig's ear of my first reply). Is the following legal (I really hope it's not). You have 5 monkeys in your 5-space enclosure and 3 monkeys int he 4-space enclosure. You pay a coin, move a monkey to the 4-space enclosure and get your coin back. In your next turn, you move a monkey back to your 5-space enclosure and score 2 coins. Can you not keep doing this forever (or until the coins run out). I Sincerely hope I've got a rule wrong. I'd like to see a ruling on this as well - seems like a nasty rules loophole.
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Michael Schacht
Germany
Frankfurt
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Re: moving animals to take advantage of money generating pen
hi Phil,
you will not get all the monkeys you need for that :-)
theoretically: you just could do this until the coins run out.
nice dice
Michael
here is an addition of what i wrote here in another thread:
you need 8 (!) animals of a kind perfectly set in these two enclosures.
but in reality this will not happen.
theoretically: then you just could do the exchanges until the coins run out.
anyway, here is the complete story:
the original german prototype exchange rule had one more word which got lost. that was "another". that started the inexactness and got translated to the other languages.
so, the rule can be interpreted like you and Phil did.
the complete correct rules should have been:
Exchange: "The player takes all tiles of one animal type in either his barn or one of his zoo’s enclosures and exchanges them with all tiles of ANOTHER animal type in one other of his zoo’s locations"
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Move: "A player may not move an animal tile from one enclosure to another enclosure holding animals of the same type"
this will be clearified in the new rule booklet in the new print run.
a complete rule booklet download will be available (hopefully) next week.
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Werner Bär
Germany
Karlsruhe
Baden
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Another money-making question:
Both of the 5 space enclosures are full. If you spend 1 coin to exchange the animals, do you gain the coins for filling them again?
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Michael Schacht
Germany
Frankfurt
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Re: moving animals to take advantage of money generating pen
hi Werner,
you never get the bonus when exchanging.
nice dice
Michael
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