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Allen Vailliencourt
United States
Greer
South Carolina
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cheaper?
I've not followed the BR market at all. I do know that the PS3 is 349+ (depending on what model). What about standalone BR players?
Curious. My wife said the other day - hey, let's not buy anymore DVD and I asked her why and she said cause we need to save for BR!
I'm game! hehe
~V
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Kdad the Muck Dweller
United States
Kirkland
Washington
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From what I understand (mostly through overheard conversations), the PS3 is the only BluRay player that can accept software upgrades currently. I've heard rumors that it will start the disk quicker (a friend's dad said his non-PS3 player took nearly 20 minutes to load a menu).
Again, all rumors, but I'd go with the PS3 if you can.
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Jorge Montero
United States
St Louis
Missouri
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I'd wait until movies get cheaper. Most movies seem to cost double in blu ray. Is the experience worth double the price?
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King of All Simians — Not a Mere Diplomat
United States
Wilmington
North Carolina
Listen, this is no set of rules. I'm not tellin' you what to do, all I'm saying is I'm bringin' up three things that are, like, so important to the whole world, I don't happen to find much importance in.
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If you're gonna wait, you may as well just wait for digital distribution to catch up. Why clutter your house with more crap? Especially crap that you've already bought in other formats. It's all just a scam by corporations to get you to buy the same movie again and again.
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Allen Vailliencourt
United States
Greer
South Carolina
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Holmes! wrote: If you're gonna wait, you may as well just wait for digital distribution to catch up. Why clutter your house with more crap? Especially crap that you've already bought in other formats. It's all just a scam by corporations to get you to buy the same movie again and again.
Ain't that the truth. Last thing I need is a million more DVD's sitting around.
Getting a BR player is a ways off for our budget. Gotta upgrade the TV, the sound system, etc before even thinking about the player. As far as digital distribution. I love TV torrents  Seriously though, It'll be interested to see how things change over the next 12-24 months. Will BR keep gaining ground now that HD-DVD is dead or will good high quality HD downloadable movies come into play?
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andrew lavish
United States
Connecticut
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Sony, Samsung, and Sharp all make Blu-Ray players costing $399.00.
A 40 GB PS3 is $399.00
To me, it's a no-brainer...
If you're not interested in gaming, then the only additional purchase would be a DVD remote at $19.99. You could get by with the dualshock controller, but it's a pain to navigate a movie with it. I've also heard rumblings of a price-point drop in the near future.
Once you watch a Blu-ray flick, you'll never want to buy a standard DVD again! Pricing is higher, but since you have some catching up to do with the titles, all the big-box stores offer deals. Right now, Best Buy is having a 2 for $30.00 deal. I just picked up two Harry Potter movies.
If you are a video gamer, then they got you!
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andrew lavish
United States
Connecticut
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As an aside, and at the risk of sounding like a Best Buy commercial (not affiliated...Really!), if you purchase something in the store, on your receipt is a survey offer. Completing the on-line survey will gain you a digital coupon for $5.00 off of an on-line purchase. You can even apply the coupon to an online purchase that you request to pick up in your local store, so they are shopping for me and paying me $5.00 to do it!
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If you really want a BR-Player, get a PS3, in that field it is not only one of the cheapest, but actually one of the best players available (Well OK, there are probably some 2000$ BR-players that have a better scaling unit built in, but let's stay reasonable, you most likely wouldn't notice the difference anyway unless you're some kind of incredible eyesight-prodigy-x-men-thing).
It is also said to have a rather good upscaler for standard DVDs, and in the last few months it has slowly started to catch up to the 360 in quality of games, compatibility/stability and game-related features (Most notably: Mods for UE3, what Redmond-brainiac decided not to allow UE3-mods on the 360? Do they TRY to lose their lead?), though from your post it appears that is of no concern to you...
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Kdad the Muck Dweller
United States
Kirkland
Washington
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Has it been mentioned that Netflix carries Bluray disks as well? They do. No additional cost.
I haven't seen BR, but HD-DVD is (or was....) stunning on a good HD TV. If you're really into movies at home, BR/HD is awesome, but it isn't cheap.
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Steve Wessels
United States
Omaha
Nebraska
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I second the comments here about the PS-3 actually being an excellent BD player. If you do a little Googling you'll discover it's actually a recommended model by many experts. The concept of easy firmware upgrades with the built-in network connectivity also puts it in an exceptional class.
If you are already an owner of existing PS/2 games you may want to wait before purchase however. The 40GB model currently available is NOT backwards compatible. It doesn't have the horsepower to emulate the old version. The 80GB model is capable but is currently out of production. Apparently the larger disk sized unit has better cpu hardware in it too. The rumor is that a new higher capacity model is going to be available real soon now and it's the one to get if you need backwards compatibility. Oh yea, one more thing. The PS-3 uses Blue Tooth technology for the controllers. Not, IR. For it to work with your home audio/video system it's a simple add-on to get a Blue-Tooth to IR receiver plug-in. These converters already exist for the PS/3 from other vendors.
I'll purchase one as soon as the new high speed/capacity model arrives.
- Steve
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Actually, the 40GB and 80GB versions are completely identical in horsepower and amount of CELLs (The architecture wouldn't really work any other way), however the 80GB model had an additional PS2-compatibility-processor, I wouldn't hold my breath to see it back in production though, there's a reason they don't sell models with it anymore, it's because the BC-Chip apparently was vulnerable to certain hacks (And heaven forbid that anyone does something with his bought PS3 Sony doesn't endorse!), perhaps they will get it back onto the market after they "fixed" it, but the last I've heard of it was about a year ago and it doesn't appear like Sony is tirelessly working to present a solution...
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Proud Father and Diabetic Underachiever
United States
State College
Pennsylvania
Grata
Bastard of Internet Ridicule
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I like the PS3, primarily because not only is it a cheaper alternative and excellent player, but of course you can also play games, use it as a networked media player, and do tons of other little tricks you're not likely to get with a vanilla Blu-Ray box. As far as the ridiculous price of Blu-Ray discs themselves? Easily ameliorated with Netflix, but if you simply HAVE to own them, you can join the Columbia House DVD club and partake of their frequent 3 for the price of 2 Blu-Ray deals, which brings the unit cost right in line with non-HD format DVDs. That's how I got my 5-disc Blu-Ray ultimate chili cheesedog version of Blade Runner so cheaply....
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Steve Wessels
United States
Omaha
Nebraska
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Flamin_Jesus wrote: Actually, the 40GB and 80GB versions are completely identical in horsepower and amount of CELLs (The architecture wouldn't really work any other way), however the 80GB model had an additional PS2-compatibility-processor, I wouldn't hold my breath to see it back in production though, there's a reason they don't sell models with it anymore, it's because the BC-Chip apparently was vulnerable to certain hacks (And heaven forbid that anyone does something with his bought PS3 Sony doesn't endorse!), perhaps they will get it back onto the market after they "fixed" it, but the last I've heard of it was about a year ago and it doesn't appear like Sony is tirelessly working to present a solution...
Thanks for the clarification about why the 40GB model isn't backwards compatible. I knew there was a hardware difference and assumed it was more central instead of an added processor.
Do you really believe the backwards compatible version will never return? If that's true then I can just stop at my local Target Store and pick up the 40GB model.
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fastfingers wrote:
Thanks for the clarification about why the 40GB model isn't backwards compatible. I knew there was a hardware difference and assumed it was more central instead of an added processor.
Do you really believe the backwards compatible version will never return? If that's true then I can just stop at my local Target Store and pick up the 40GB model.
Well, I'm not a Sony employee, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'd say no, I have strong doubts they will ever re-release a PS3 with hardware-based PS2-Support, the best bet from where I stand would be software-emulation (Like the 360 does for XboX1 games), and on that front any model of PS3 should have the same abilities, but Sony doesn't appear to be particularly interested in doing that either, and even M$ stopped improving that functionality for the 360.
As far as I know one of the reasons the European release of the PS3 was delayed was because Sony took the BC-model off the lineup by the way, so they seem to feel rather strongly about it, in its current state, the 80GB model will never see the light of day again, PERHAPS they will introduce a different BC-chip somewhere down the line, but again, I have strong doubts about that...
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Allen Vailliencourt
United States
Greer
South Carolina
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Great info everyone. Thanks. I purchased a 1st generation PS2 back in the day to get the DVD player with it. Best bang for the buck back then. The PS3 looks to be the same. Hopefully by time my budget will allow it the PS3 will be at a great price for me to pick it up.
Course the gaming is a great added benefit. Yum.
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Steve Wessels
United States
Omaha
Nebraska
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Flamin_Jesus wrote: fastfingers wrote:
Thanks for the clarification about why the 40GB model isn't backwards compatible. I knew there was a hardware difference and assumed it was more central instead of an added processor.
Do you really believe the backwards compatible version will never return? If that's true then I can just stop at my local Target Store and pick up the 40GB model.
Well, I'm not a Sony employee, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'd say no, I have strong doubts they will ever re-release a PS3 with hardware-based PS2-Support, the best bet from where I stand would be software-emulation (Like the 360 does for XboX1 games), and on that front any model of PS3 should have the same abilities, but Sony doesn't appear to be particularly interested in doing that either, and even M$ stopped improving that functionality for the 360. As far as I know one of the reasons the European release of the PS3 was delayed was because Sony took the BC-model off the lineup by the way, so they seem to feel rather strongly about it, in its current state, the 80GB model will never see the light of day again, PERHAPS they will introduce a different BC-chip somewhere down the line, but again, I have strong doubts about that...
Hey everyone. I remembered this thread this evening. I just got back from my local Target department store and they had several new Playstation 3's that were the 80GB model. It's a special promotional release with "Metalgearsolid". I had the sales guy check the technical information for me and it states it's backwards compatible with the PS2. Woo hoo. I haven't hooked it up or anything, but I did want to let folks know that the 80GB model is available once again. Oh yea. I bought one, primarily as our Blu Ray player. The PS3 has the benefit of getting software updates via the internet. Very cool.
- Steve
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Andrew DiGregorio
United States
West Babylon
New York
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wow.. i love you guys!
i came here to post about wanting to buy a bluray player today, and deciding if i should go ps3 as many review sites are siting it as one of the best ones, and lo and behold! there was already this post discussing this very thing!
ok, you all sold me.. i already have a wii (which i love!), but it looks like ill be getting a ps3 this weekend and starting my blu-ray collection..
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Allen Vailliencourt
United States
Greer
South Carolina
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slyde wrote: wow.. i love you guys!
i came here to post about wanting to buy a bluray player today, and deciding if i should go ps3 as many review sites are siting it as one of the best ones, and lo and behold! there was already this post discussing this very thing!
ok, you all sold me.. i already have a wii (which i love!), but it looks like ill be getting a ps3 this weekend and starting my blu-ray collection..
haha! Sweet. Glad this thread helped someone. I'm itching to get a PS3 but might be a while...
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Steve Wessels
United States
Omaha
Nebraska
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Hey, here's an update I read today about the utility of using a Sony Playstation 3 as a Blu Ray player.
The folks over at Criterion Collection (producers of high quality DVDs, Laser Discs) have actually recommended a PS/3 for Blu Ray player. Check it out:
http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/installations/2916/criterio...
We've been using ours and love it. The only drawback I have encountered is that it uses Bluetooth technology for the remote. You can purchase a very good remote from Sony for the PS/3 but it's Bluetooth. So existing I/R remotes will not work without some kind of added converter or adaptor.
- Steve
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Jeff Jones
United States
Round Rock
Texas
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hibikir wrote: I'd wait until movies get cheaper. Most movies seem to cost double in blu ray. Is the experience worth double the price?
Depends. If you care one whit about how a movie looks then yes, it's worth it. If you just want to hear Brad Pitt mumble then no, stick with DVD. Of course, sound is also superior on BR so if you want top hear Brad Pitt mumble in outstanding surround sound then BR is better there too.
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Jeff Jones
United States
Round Rock
Texas
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fastfingers wrote: Hey, here's an update I read today about the utility of using a Sony Playstation 3 as a Blu Ray player. The folks over at Criterion Collection (producers of high quality DVDs, Laser Discs) have actually recommended a PS/3 for Blu Ray player. Check it out: http://www.soundandvisionmag.com/installations/2916/criterio...We've been using ours and love it. The only drawback I have encountered is that it uses Bluetooth technology for the remote. You can purchase a very good remote from Sony for the PS/3 but it's Bluetooth. So existing I/R remotes will not work without some kind of added converter or adaptor. - Steve
And Criterion, the best DVD production company bar none, is about to start releasing limited titles in BluRay (400 Blows and The Third Man in the first wave!!!!!!.
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