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Over at Kotaku there's a post concerning the gaming possibilities on Apple's upcoming tablet device. Whilst they're focussing on up scaled iPhone games and such, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a neat platform to launch some upgraded boardgames on?

There are plenty of boardgames out there that require quite some management, which bogs down the game, prone to mistakes, and makes it outright unenjoyable for some. A tablet device could overcome all these issues, and whilst being portable, could be used in a social setting.

And there's more advantages. A tablet would allow players to keep secret information, perform secret actions, and prevent cheating of any sort. So not only is it viable for "ports" of complex existing games, it adds another layer of functionality which is simply not possible in current boardgames.

Of course I'll miss the tangible aspect of a board game, but I'm keen to see if anything will happen in this area.
 
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As an former developer of iPhone games (I had seven in the App Store at one point) I'd say that the tablet, if it's announced and is much like an iPod touch but with more powerful functionality (and specs), is a logical device to create or port board games too. It also depends a lot on how it connects to the world (3G versus WiFi-only) and each other (Bluetooth), as much as how much more "powerful" a device it will be above a touch or current iPhone.

I, for one, hope that it's a device powerful enough to run things like a modified version of iWork or iLife on, as well as the expected stuff. If that's the case, board games are a natural app for the device. I already play Hive, Catan, Robot Master and Zooloretto on my iPod touch. And to play even more board game solo or multiplayer like Pandemic? Sign me up (asuming this thing isn't $1000).

P.S. I'd love a game like Combat Commander, Conflict of Heroes, ToI or Memoir 44 or R.U.S.E etc to come to this device. Heck, I might even jump back into development and put out a squad-level miniatures WW2 game myself if the hardware's up to it.
 
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kronik wrote:
Over at Kotaku there's a post concerning the gaming possibilities on Apple's upcoming tablet device. Whilst they're focussing on up scaled iPhone games and such, I'm wondering if it wouldn't be a neat platform to launch some upgraded boardgames on?

There are plenty of boardgames out there that require quite some management, which bogs down the game, prone to mistakes, and makes it outright unenjoyable for some. A tablet device could overcome all these issues, and whilst being portable, could be used in a social setting.

And there's more advantages. A tablet would allow players to keep secret information, perform secret actions, and prevent cheating of any sort. So not only is it viable for "ports" of complex existing games, it adds another layer of functionality which is simply not possible in current boardgames.

Of course I'll miss the tangible aspect of a board game, but I'm keen to see if anything will happen in this area.

Some good points.

I think there is another areas as well. Cell phones aka mobiles could be put to good use is as a "player aid" for board games. The programming is less complex, the device less intrusive, and the tangible "board and pieces" element stays the same. With the rise of more affordable (and, in the long run) likely more widespread Android-based devices, this could be a great area for BGG programmers to try their hand at. Tools like Titanium Appcelerator ( http://www.appcelerator.com) means being able to develop for iPhone and Android (and desktop, for that matter) using javascript and HTML skills.
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Tablet PCs have around for quite some years. Just because Apple makes a nifty version of it, won't change the fact, that board games are still board games, and computer games are computer games.
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True, however, there's always a difference between a technology being available and a technology being implemented. Up till now, no one really cared about tablets, and as such, development was near non-existant. With the announcement of Apple's tablet, numerous other hardware developpers have jumped the gun to get a device out there. CES was flooded with all sorts of tablets. Because Apple got involved, people got interested. So I assume that only now software developers will begin thinking of the possibilities for said device.

I'm just saying that there are possibilities for computerised versions of boardgames which might include a higher level of social interaction, and several other features currently not possible in either boardgaming or computer gaming. Obviously strict sense computer games are most likely coming, but this being BGG, I'm interested in the other possibilities sucha device might bring.

And if it doesn't get any support, we'll still have a smaller device for surfing BGG when a question arises in a new game
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Someone has made a boardgame app that supposedly helps you set-up, play, and score some eurogames. Just downloaded it, have not played it yet. Called "Boardgame Companion".

I personally think the islate or whatever is going to be much more geared towards a business/academic environment than a social one, but it would be cool if it comes in at a decent price..
 
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Guys, Steve Jobs doodled a pony on a napkin.

IS THIS A GAME-CHANGER?

HOW FAST WILL THE PONY FLY DO YOU IMAGINE?
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An oversized ipod with touchscreen software at the level of the ipod's could definitely be a unique gaming platform in and of itself.

I'm thinking particularly of abstracts, many of which have a small footprint and simple components. I'd love, for example, to be able to just load up Ordo on a tablet-y thing, set it on the table, and play.
 
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Topper Harley wrote:
Tablet PCs have around for quite some years. Just because Apple makes a nifty version of it, won't change the fact, that board games are still board games, and computer games are computer games.


As a person who plays about an equal amount online as in person I disagree with this statement. The distinction between digital games and physical space table-top games has blurred considerably and will only get fuzzier with time. Playing games on BSW or vassal has become pretty common around here, trading the physical medium for a digital one doesn't change the game too much.

The next step currently taking place is the mushing together of the mediums. With things like like Arcade Game/CCG hybrids becoming more popular and tabletop D&D via touch screen not far from reality, I imagine a popular tablet game scene could very well materialize withing the next few years.

At some point it will all be tabletop gaming like in Ender's Game right?
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Nordican wrote:
Topper Harley wrote:
Tablet PCs have around for quite some years. Just because Apple makes a nifty version of it, won't change the fact, that board games are still board games, and computer games are computer games.


As a person who plays about an equal amount online as in person I disagree with this statement. The distinction between digital games and physical space table-top games has blurred considerably and will only get fuzzier with time. Playing games on BSW or vassal has become pretty common around here, trading the physical medium for a digital one doesn't change the game too much.

The next step currently taking place is the mushing together of the mediums. With things like like Arcade Game/CCG hybrids becoming more popular and tabletop D&D via touch screen not far from reality, I imagine a popular tablet game scene could very well materialize withing the next few years.

At some point it will all be tabletop gaming like in Ender's Game right?


I wonder about that. The Battle School was a military space station with all the lastest advanced hardware for the molding and training of young prodigies into the super soldiers and officers needed for the next war. I still imagine that, back on Earth, a lot of the normal, everyday civilians were still using old fashioned boardgames and books.
 
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Nordican wrote:

As a person who plays about an equal amount online as in person I disagree with this statement. The distinction between digital games and physical space table-top games has blurred considerably and will only get fuzzier with time. Playing games on BSW or vassal has become pretty common around here, trading the physical medium for a digital one doesn't change the game too much.

May i assume that with "here" you mean Korea? No offence, but Asians go completely crazy when it comes to computer games.
And your statement could have been made 30 years ago when computers came up. Yet, board games do still exist, and are doing better than ever, despite the computer and without the computer.
And yes, playing the same game digital is very different. Online there is no social component, no feeling of group activity, you don't see your opponents and/or the reactions.
If you just want to play the game, sure, do it online. But i almost never play online. because it isn't nearly the same as playing with a game group.
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Topper Harley wrote:
Nordican wrote:

As a person who plays about an equal amount online as in person I disagree with this statement. The distinction between digital games and physical space table-top games has blurred considerably and will only get fuzzier with time. Playing games on BSW or vassal has become pretty common around here, trading the physical medium for a digital one doesn't change the game too much.

May i assume that with "here" you mean Korea? No offence, but Asians go completely crazy when it comes to computer games.
And your statement could have been made 30 years ago when computers came up. Yet, board games do still exist, and are doing better than ever, despite the computer and without the computer.
And yes, playing the same game digital is very different. Online there is no social component, no feeling of group activity, you don't see your opponents and/or the reactions.
If you just want to play the game, sure, do it online. But i almost never play online. because it isn't nearly the same as playing with a game group.


"here" was meant to mean BGG. Physical board games are relatively popular in Korea actually. Certainly moreso than I saw in the US. Anyway, I don't think anyone is saying that dead tree games are going to disappear or even decrease necessarily. I just think it's pretty impossible for a "never the two shall meet" approach to board games and computer games when the two have had plenty of crossover in the past and will almost certainly have more in the future. Particularly if social aspect you mention became perfectly viable on a digital tabletop. It's not cardboard that makes games enjoyable.
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Topper Harley wrote:
Tablet PCs have around for quite some years. Just because Apple makes a nifty version of it, won't change the fact, that board games are still board games, and computer games are computer games.


Not true, there's a distinct difference between making a feature and making it usable. Some of the key enablers for making it work for board games: multi-touch support, capacitive displays for more natural response on touch.

Actually all we are waiting for is to have capacitive, table-layout devices with large enough screen and multitouch support. After that we shall see a rapid revolution in face-to-face social entertainment, of which the board games are a prime application example.
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After that we shall see a rapid revolution in face-to-face social entertainment, of which the board games are a prime application example.


Unfortunately I wouldn't consider that a given. There's still much speculation around which direction Apple will market the device to. And I'm assuming most other developpers will try to compete on those same levels, rather than take another approach.
If there is talk of any sort of gaming, then I have high hopes for eventual development of social gaming. Without Apple's backing however, I doubt we'll ever see any really innovative things coming from 3rd party developpers. Maybe a one-off, but not a whole scene.
 
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I think the tablet may be adequate to:

Play a 2p game of Citidels on
Set the Red November board on to play
Take Revelations/accusations for Mystery of the Abbey
Be a nifty shield for DMs, if you have something to prop it up with.

Other than that...meh
 
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kronik wrote:
eikka wrote:
After that we shall see a rapid revolution in face-to-face social entertainment, of which the board games are a prime application example.


Unfortunately I wouldn't consider that a given. There's still much speculation around which direction Apple will market the device to. And I'm assuming most other developpers will try to compete on those same levels, rather than take another approach.
If there is talk of any sort of gaming, then I have high hopes for eventual development of social gaming. Without Apple's backing however, I doubt we'll ever see any really innovative things coming from 3rd party developpers. Maybe a one-off, but not a whole scene.


We'll see tomorrow. I would bet my ass that gaming (any iTunes games) is somehow part of the picture. But the main application drivers are most likely net browsing and digital magazine/newspaper subscriptions.

However, my prediction is that the device itself starts to lay ground for emerging f2f social apps market.

 
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eikka wrote:

Not true, there's a distinct difference between making a feature and making it usable. Some of the key enablers for making it work for board games: multi-touch support, capacitive displays for more natural response on touch.

Actually all we are waiting for is to have capacitive, table-layout devices with large enough screen and multitouch support. After that we shall see a rapid revolution in face-to-face social entertainment, of which the board games are a prime application example.

Yet board games are board games. And anything that will be played on such a device is a computer game. No matter how good this thing is in the end. Even if this device might be something like a miniature Microsoft Surface, which has been in development for years and where everyone drools on when they see the D&D demo, it is still a computer.
I prefer the face-to-face social entertainment with my 20€ board game. I wouldn't get my group to buy a 500€ Apple iPad just to play games together. And the people who buy this kind of machine won't become board games because of it.
Rapid revolution? I doubt it. Sure, new games, but this can already be done in the iPod Touch and there hasn't been a revolution.

I'll hold on to my cardboard a little bit longer.
 
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Topper Harley wrote:
eikka wrote:

Not true, there's a distinct difference between making a feature and making it usable. Some of the key enablers for making it work for board games: multi-touch support, capacitive displays for more natural response on touch.

Actually all we are waiting for is to have capacitive, table-layout devices with large enough screen and multitouch support. After that we shall see a rapid revolution in face-to-face social entertainment, of which the board games are a prime application example.

Yet board games are board games. And anything that will be played on such a device is a computer game. No matter how good this thing is in the end. Even if this device might be something like a miniature Microsoft Surface, which has been in development for years and where everyone drools on when they see the D&D demo, it is still a computer.
I prefer the face-to-face social entertainment with my 20€ board game. I wouldn't get my group to buy a 500€ Apple iPad just to play games together. And the people who buy this kind of machine won't become board games because of it.
Rapid revolution? I doubt it. Sure, new games, but this can already be done in the iPod Touch and there hasn't been a revolution.

I'll hold on to my cardboard a little bit longer.


I meant face-to-face social entertainment as a computer game type. This may or may not use concepts from board games (most likely they will be used), maybe even separate movable bits further down the line... The hybrid card game/arcade game that is currently popular in Japan (as posted above) could be a prelude for interoperable low-cost items and computers.

Just in case: Don't hold your breath as long as your cardboard.
 
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I don't mean to say that there will be a revolution, far from it. There will be relatively few people who might use such a device for a form of computerised boardgaming.

But still, for those who would, it's interesting to think about the possibilities that might ensue.
 
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Apple is a strange beast in a sense that cost doesn't seem to be an issue for iphone adoption, not even during recession... That's probably the evidence that has increased my personal odds for the possible success of the islate.
 
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kronik wrote:
I don't mean to say that there will be a revolution, far from it. There will be relatively few people who might use such a device for a form of computerised boardgaming.

But still, for those who would, it's interesting to think about the possibilities that might ensue.


This exactly. There is no chance whatsoever that I will personally be playing my games on an Apple tablet or Microsoft surface in the next 5 years. I just don't buy those kind of things. It's still fun to imagine though. Maybe someday down the road...who knows? My kitchen table could be an affordable modular game board surface with Carc and Tigris on it. That would be ideal and certainly not impossible.
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Crosswords is apparently going to be the first game formatted for the Apple tablet:

http://mashable.com/2010/01/26/apple-tablet-first-game-cross...

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Crosswords is apparently going to be the first game formatted for the Apple tablet:

http://mashable.com/2010/01/26/apple-tablet-first-game-cross...

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Debbie, I nominate you to bring us the latest on the iTablet news. Surfing all these mac sites is giving me the willies. But I am interested in the iTableu.

ON to the Kodan Armada, Starfighter!
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Well, it is a giant itouch.

I can see the ipad being the game board and folks using iphones/touches for "Secret" info like cards or whatnot, but hard to see WHY you would do this. The xbox arcade or PC can do it easily if everyone is remote, and if everyone is present, why would you want to use a digital game instead of the real thing?

Obviously portability would be a benefit, but really, if I just wanted digital F2F gaming, I would probably stick to Civ4 and Street Fighter. So while I am sure there will be some nice boardgame ports using that nice 10" screen, I don't think they will be very popular.
 
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jason10mm wrote:

Obviously portability would be a benefit, but really, if I just wanted digital F2F gaming, I would probably stick to Civ4 and Street Fighter. So while I am sure there will be some nice boardgame ports using that nice 10" screen, I don't think they will be very popular.


How will you be able to achieve true face-to-face gaming using contemporary game consoles? Everybody stares at the television and there's no real communication.

The revolution comes from the fact that the device is nothing more than an artifact for real communication between people. It can be easily handed over, put on a table for everybody to see or shared with the person sitting beside you. These usability innovations are part of the larger disruptive design philosophy that Apple has brought to us in the past decade of continuous success.

That being said, I am enormously disappointed with the lack of Flash support and multitasking..
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