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Ralph T
United States
Signal Hill
California
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Is the Iphone in Europe that much more popular than the Android OS? Is it not tied to a single carrier like it is in the US? It seems like Android may be the future of cellphone platforms (as long as Apple's tied to AT&T in the US), but I'm dismayed at all the major Euro designers have been making their releases only for the Iphone. (Knizia, Schacht, Dorra etc).
Can someone explain why this is the case, and what are the chances they will release on the Android OS?
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Gabe Covert
United States
Lexington
Kentucky
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Unfortunately, the iPhone was first out of the gate, and I'm sure there was a lot of support by Apple to make sure there were plenty of apps to grow the popularity of the platform.
The number of Android installations right now isn't nearly as large as the number of iPhones, and add on top of that the fact that the Google market does not allow paid apps outside of America, and you have a recipe for the situation.
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ralpher wrote: Can someone explain why this is the case
1. They do it partially to appeal to the apple fanbois
2. People who go for Android are, by definition, likely to spend less on content.
3. Uptake rates of android/iphone
Quote: and what are the chances they will release on the Android OS?
Not likely, if they've already produced an iphone version, and haven;t announced one for android already. best thing you could do is email them with a polite request for them to make the game on Android, and hope that enough people do the same to make it worth their while.
Edit 1: spelling error
Edit 2: added EDIT (lol)
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Ralph T
United States
Signal Hill
California
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If the Android isn't selling apps in Europe, then that would be a killer. But I think pretty soon Android might have a bigger market share than the Iphone OS.
Curious, is the Iphone unlocked for every carrier in Europe?
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Some Guy
United States
Portland
Oregon
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Android not selling in Europe? I don't think this is the case. There are ton of Apps in the market place (> 40K, last I heard) and many of them are priced in Euros, are in French, German and Spanish.... where did you here that they are not selling apps in Europe.
By the way, apple market share is the fastest growing among OSes for phones:
http://digitaldaily.allthingsd.com/20100405/a-growth-spurt-f...
That all being said, I would imagine that games will come out first for iPhone simply because it is currently the largest, but I hope that developers will port it to Android as many other companies have done.
And, in the next year, there are dozens of proposed tablets coming out with Android as the OS which should further push developers to make games for Android. At least I hope so.
... and write those game designers.... that couldn't hurt at all.
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Some Guy
United States
Portland
Oregon
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Oh yeah.... and which games are coming out on iPhones?
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J C Lawrence
United States
Campbell
California
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ralpher wrote: Can someone explain why this is the case, and what are the chances they will release on the Android OS?
iPhone has a well-defined, well run, and efficient marketplace for applications: the iTunes store. Android doesn't. Until that gap is bridged, iPhone will continue to dominate business and developer attention as, very simply, that's where the money is and application developers are in business to make money.
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Sebastian Blanco
United States
Lansing
Michigan
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Here's a list of a lot of the games:
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/27829/iphone-board-gam...
And here's a list of my reviews of most of them (with more to come):
http://www.boardgamegeek.com/geeklist/53624/a-neverending-an...
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Mark McEvoy
Canada
Ottawa-ish
Ontario
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An iPhone game is also an iPod Touch game, and the iPod Touch knows no carrier boundaries. And has moved some 20 million units. And iPad (the non-AT&T WiFi model) is similarly an expanding and non-vendor-tied market.
FWIW, the iPhone has multiple carriers in Canada. Canada's top 3 mobile service providers (Bell, Telus, Rogers) all carry the iPhone now.
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Max Maloney
United States
Portland
Oregon
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iPhone is simply a stronger device than any Android handset produced so far, and by a large margin. Even if the carrier sucks (AT&T!), many people will take the worse service to have the superior machine.
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Stew Woods
Australia
Wellard
Western Australia
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thomasdav wrote:
1. They do it partially to appeal to the apple fanbois
Please explain. 
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Dave Seidner
United States
Willow Grove
Pennsylvania
In another time's forgotten space, your eyes looked through your mother's face. Wildflower seed on the sand and stone, may the four winds blow you safely home.
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ralpher wrote: Is the Iphone in Europe that much more popular than the Android OS? Is it not tied to a single carrier like it is in the US? It seems like Android may be the future of cellphone platforms (as long as Apple's tied to AT&T in the US), but I'm dismayed at all the major Euro designers have been making their releases only for the Iphone. (Knizia, Schacht, Dorra etc).
Can someone explain why this is the case, and what are the chances they will release on the Android OS?
Which Dorra game is on the iPhone? I follow the iPhone boardgame app geeklist pretty closely and I wasn't aware there was a game by Dorra available.
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Erik Tietz
United States
Bloomington
Minnesota
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lokides wrote: thomasdav wrote:
1. They do it partially to appeal to the apple fanbois
Please explain.
(response that is partially trolling, but mostly true)
Apple fanboys are more likely to pay extra money for an inferior product? 
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Gabe Alvaro
United States
Berkeley
California
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remus wrote: Which Dorra game is on the iPhone? I follow the iPhone boardgame app geeklist pretty closely and I wasn't aware there was a game by Dorra available.
http://boardgamegeek.com/thread/511528/new-iphone-game-by-st...
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Chris Cieslik
United States
Boston
Massachusetts
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There are a couple of factors here. First, iPhone has more devices in the market, so off the bat you have more potential customers. Secondly, and in my opinion, more importantly, if you're selling for iPhone, you don't have to worry about 30 different screen sizes, OS versions, and keyboard / touch combinations. You know you're getting an iPhone (or an iPad which is a giant iPhone). It makes the UI much easier to design.
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Stew Woods
Australia
Wellard
Western Australia
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djcack wrote: (response that is partially trolling, but mostly true) Apple fanboys are more likely to pay extra money for an inferior product?
OK, since you put that nice in there I'm not gonna bite. 
But really, don't you think 75 Million units is a point at which we can stop using the term fanbois? 
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The iPhone, in Sweden at least, can be bought unlocked at a higher price. On top of that all carriers have the iPhone, locked to their service but you can choose. I think it is the same all Europe.
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andy
Belgium
bredene
Do you not see?
That if you kill him with the pill from the till by making with it the drug in the jug, you need not light the candle with the handle on the gâteau from the château.
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in belgium it is.
the netherlands have simlock versions.
dont really know about other countrys.
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Mik Svellov
Denmark
Copenhagen N
EU
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ralpher wrote: Is the Iphone in Europe that much more popular than the Android OS? Is it not tied to a single carrier like it is in the US? It seems like Android may be the future of cellphone platforms (as long as Apple's tied to AT&T in the US), but I'm dismayed at all the major Euro designers have been making their releases only for the Iphone. (Knizia, Schacht, Dorra etc).
Can someone explain why this is the case, and what are the chances they will release on the Android OS?
The Android will most likely be among the top two OS for mobiles very soon. But it is still relatively new, and we have yet to see an Android phone that is truely superior to the Iphone.
I had hoped the new Sony Ericsson X10 would have been that, but sadly it isn't. When I compare them, I would still rather have an Iphone - but as I'm not an Apple man, I will just wait and see what the autum will bring.
But Apple will be hard to beat. The Ipad has been postponed in EU thanks to the success in USA, and having seen several games being played on Ipads at the Gathering, I don't see the Android being a real competitor in the board gaming field for a long time!
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Guido Gloor
Switzerland
Ostermundigen
Bern
The statement below is false.
The statement above is correct.
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ralpher wrote: Curious, is the Iphone unlocked for every carrier in Europe?
Since Europe is not a country, and each country has individual cellphone carrier company coverages (some companies being national only even), this can't be said in general. In some countries, it is.
In Switzerland for example, two out of three carriers (we're small) offer the iPhone, with non-simlocked versions, so the third carrier tries to make offers that are good enough to attract the iPhone customers from the other two.
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Bart Genders
United Kingdom
Woking
Surrey
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ralpher wrote: Curious, is the Iphone unlocked for every carrier in Europe?
Only a couple of countries have unlocked iPhones by default but in most you can get it unlocked after some time.
a nice overview here: http://support.apple.com/kb/HT1937
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Umberto Colapicchioni
Italy
Unspecified
Unspecified
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regularklas wrote: The iPhone, in Sweden at least, can be bought unlocked at a higher price. On top of that all carriers have the iPhone, locked to their service but you can choose. I think it is the same all Europe.
In Italy, which is one of the largest market in Europe, the iPhone was always sold factory unlocked since the beginning.
Yes, you can purchase it at a lower price, if you sign a 2 years contract, but the phone itself has always been unlocked, and can be used with any carrier.
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Some Guy
United States
Portland
Oregon
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Okay, I noticed that no one really addressed my points and continued to hail the iPhone as THE only phone OS to make for.
So, here is the skinny....
1) Yes, the iPhone has million of units including iPad and iPod Touch.
2) Yes, the iPhone has a well-run marketplace.
3) Yes, it has a customer base willing to pay for apps.
4) Yes, iPhone has superior hardware
BUT
1) Android is the fasted growing OS. Give it a year and Android will be right on iPhones heels.
2) Andorid DOES have a well run marketplace. I have used both marketplace as a consumer since my son has an iPod touch. They are the same.
3) BUT, if you develop an app no one is standing guard at the Android marketplace to turn you away. Apple can decree you app not worthy but this is no so with Android. This is getting worse as the battle between the two heats up. Apple has said that the will not accept apps that are not developed in their particular way. This has and will clearly continue to turn developers to Android.
In the end, most of the game apps are Knzia games anyway. I can easily live without Knzia games on my phone.
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Matt Lee
United States
East Meadow
New York
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I've said in several other threads how I feel about Apple's policies, but ultimately, you have to understand that developers right now are going where the market and people are right now, and that's the iPhone/iPad platform.
The combination of better integrated hardware and interface (only one manufacturer, who controls every part) makes it easier for programmers to know that whatever is programmed will work on all models, and the slick interface is what gets people, not to mention the cool factor of the hardware's look for the public.
I appreciate Android's more open choices and less dictatorship over the market, but it's also behind by 3 years in the public's eye, has multiple versions of the hardware and OS that are not completely compatible, still feels a bit sluggish/not as "cool", and the marketplace is a bit more fragmented. Not insurmountable, but it'll take a lot more time than you think for things to be more even.
I'd prefer the Android to really challenge Apple to make them open things up, but Apple rarely has deviated from their plans while Steve Jobs is in charge, and as long as the public's perception is that it's worth the limitations placed on the devices to have "the coolest", developers are not likely to ignore the iPhone or even to choose to develop simultaneously with two completely different interfaces while the markets are still so far apart in potential immediate income. It should happen, in my opinion, but it won't be quick.
Let us not forget that better isn't always the winner. Numerous times we've seen that happen.
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J C Lawrence
United States
Campbell
California
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jonjacobmoon wrote: 1) Android is the fasted growing OS.
In percentage points? Yes. In terms of raw numbers sold to new users each quarter? Not even close.
Quote: Give it a year and Android will be right on iPhones heels.
I doubt that would be true. Have you looked at the actual market numbers?
Quote: 2) Andorid DOES have a well run marketplace. I have used both marketplace as a consumer since my son has an iPod touch. They are the same.
Not in terms of business and developer profitability. Again, look at the numbers. Android could become interesting, eventually, but it isn't there yet.
Quote: This has and will clearly continue to turn developers to Android.
I don't believe so. Developers will use whatever tools they need to use to get the job done. There is no religion for a good engineer (or a good businessman). I know several (dozen+) iPhone developers, several with apps that have sold tens of thousands of copies. Their reaction to the Apple tools limitations? Shrug. Okay. They're there to get work done and money made, not to quibble about languages or tools.
ObNote: I am a software engineer.
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