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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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Despite the 'doomsdayers', we are still here. Boy were they wrong!
"No one knows about that day or hour, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father" Matthew 24:36 
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Rick W
Canada
British Coumbia
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Maybe not so wrong, the way i see it no one was worthy to take so nothing happened.
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Pieter
Netherlands
Maastricht
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Well, I got an invitation, but everybody up there was only playing Settlers of Catan, so I checked out, man.
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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We are dirty and wicked so I can't blame you for thinking that Rick, but we can be made clean.
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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Funny comment Pieter, thank you!
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Paul Edward Nowak
United States
Greenville
Michigan
You have paid retail for the last time.
The human race, to which so many of my readers belong, has been playing at children's games from the beginning, and will probably do it till the end, which is a nuisance for the few people who grow up. - GKC
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nastycleavage wrote: Maybe not so wrong, the way i see it no one was worthy to take so nothing happened.
Rev. Camping, is that you?
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Rick W
Canada
British Coumbia
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Quote: but we can be made clean. I guess so, but always thought that was a voluntary thing.
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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I would not give Mr. Camping any credit by allowing him to have that title Paul. Let's just hope that in the future he leaves the prophecy to God
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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Indeed, we must REQUEST forgiveness, God is not Santa Claus. He does not give us everything we want. Anyone who has seen a spoiled child knows the result of that.
Oddly enough this conversation started on the Chit Chat forum I posted and not the Religion forum. I will refer us all to that forum so that we do not continue to break the site policies.
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Matthew M Monin
United States
Branford
Connecticut
8/8 FREE, PROTECTED
513ers Assemble!
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RSP'd
-MMM
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Jack Smith
United Kingdom
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discoryno wrote: I would not give Mr. Camping any credit by allowing him to have that title Paul. Let's just hope that in the future he leaves the prophecy to God :D
Camping has disappeared, what a surprise. Still, he may have fallen under that pile of cash he made.
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Aaron Potter
United States
Riverside
California
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discoryno wrote: I would not give Mr. Camping any credit by allowing him to have that title Paul. Let's just hope that in the future he leaves the prophecy to God
Why not? He's got just as much right to the term "reverend" as any other person who derives their self-styled "authority" from a book of collected myths. Like, say, the pope.
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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An interesting point Aaron, though I have to disagree. Just because you think they are myths doesn't mean they are. I'm curious to find out what event or conditioning in your past has caused you to think this.
P.S.- I'm not a huge fan of the pope either
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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Funny comment Jack. Though I will ask this, how did he make all this money? Offerings?
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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Octavian wrote: RSP'd
-MMM
Thanks Matthew!
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Aaron Potter
United States
Riverside
California
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discoryno wrote: An interesting point Aaron, though I have to disagree. Just because you think they are myths doesn't mean they are.
Of course not. They are myths because, just like the prophecies of this wacko, they lack evidence, counter what empirical evidence is available, and serve to overlay an anthropocentric narrative over phenomena which are observably not anthropocentric, nor truly 'narrative' (i.e., have no objectively observable author or design). That's the definition of "myth." My personal perspective has absolutely no bearing on the matter.
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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Sad to hear you think that Aaron. So, apparently there is no hope from the one true God who claims to have sent a savior to die for the sins of any who would accept him. Apparently we were simply a mistake, a cosmic coincidence or dirty trick played out upon the universe to amuse whatever supreme being that may happen to exist.
I guess this is why there is so much violence in the world; people believing the horrible lie, told to them by the world, that there is no absolute truth. The lie that they have no purpose . The lie that they will simply rot in the ground. The lie that they are not loved.
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Andrew Rowse
United Kingdom
North London
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discoryno wrote: Sad to hear you think that Aaron. So, apparently there is no hope from the one true God who claims to have sent a savior to die for the sins of any who would accept him.
God doesn't claim that if he doesn't exist. If God doesn't exist, people made that up.
Quote: Apparently we were simply a mistake, a cosmic coincidence or dirty trick played out upon the universe to amuse whatever supreme being that may happen to exist.
Or happens not to exist, as it were. However, I take issue with the implication that a mistake is somehow of less value than something done on purpose. Things have value because of what they are, not how they came into being, and I think the universe is amazing with or without a creator!
Quote: I guess this is why there is so much violence in the world; people believing the horrible lie, told to them by the world, that there is no absolute truth. The lie that they have no purpose . The lie that they will simply rot in the ground. The lie that they are not loved.
I don't believe that any of humanity's deities exist, but I still believe that I am loved. I believe that when I die, my brain will cease to function, and there will be no 'me' left - except - that my personality will live on in those I have touched, just as the personalities of my grandparents and lost friends are echoed and carried into the future by me.
I personally think that far more destruction and violence is brought about by those who claim not only that there is absolute truth, but that they have insight and authority based upon it. That's demonstrably nonsense. The universe that we've observed is well beyond the ability of a single person to fully appreciate, and we know that there's a whole lot more universe yet to be observed. If God existed, he would be even more amazing yet. And somebody claims to be able to speak on his behalf? Arrogance and zealotry, and the sort of thing that stands in the way of what understanding we are capable of gaining.
I don't especially begrudge those who find comfort in what I believe is false, and I've seen great things done by such people. I appreciate why such people might think that rejecting an a-priori belief system would constitute some sort of lie, but until they offer a compelling reason why their spear-pierced gallows god is more credible than the ones that went before, I can't imagine ever finding them credible.
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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A detailed and well thought out comment indeed, I will assume Andrew is your name. Excellent point on the concept of mistakes. I believe that God can make great things out of the actions that are perceived by man to be mistakes. Though I will say this, you made no reply towards my comment regarding the violence in the world.
Your comments on belief are valid, however I believe them to be fairly, well I simply have to be blunt here, logical. Saying that something doesn't exist is based purely on an assumption, or as I would put it, faith. So, it appears that you are capable of faith. Now all that is needed is a loving, God-inspired Christian to show you love.
P.S.- Your comment about certain people claiming to know absolute truth and doing bad things is in my opinion a bit, well, correct. Many people do bad things, they are humans. Even those who claim to be of God have done horrible things. We all make mistakes. Please do not make the 'Ghandi' mistake and forsake the entire Gospel of Jesus Christ because of what a few misled people, who claimed to be Christians, have done.
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Andrew Rowse
United Kingdom
North London
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discoryno wrote: Though I will say this, you made no reply towards my comment regarding the violence in the world.
I said that I believe violence is perpetrated more by those who believe in absolute truth than by those who do not. Zealous idealists (whether religious or philosophical) are responsible for history's most craven and despicable acts.
Quote: Your comments on belief are valid, however I believe them to be fairly, well I simply have to be blunt here, logical. Saying that something doesn't exist is based purely on an assumption, or as I would put it, faith. So, it appears that you are capable of faith. Now all that is needed is a loving, God-inspired Christian to show you love.
Logic is not a bad thing. Only ideologies with shaky foundations have anything to fear from logic. Believing that things do not exist because there is no evidence for them is an assumption, but it is one that is overwhelmingly supported by life. There are no monsters under the bed. The sun will not fall out of the sky if the king fails to chant to it. Doing that won't make you go blind. If faith allows you to believe anything without evidence, faith is not a virtue.
I certainly don't need a Christian to show me love. I've been shown plenty of love, and have shown plenty myself. I love and am loved by Christians already, as well as Muslims and atheists, and my infant son who has not yet had an ideology impressed upon him. There is nothing special about Christians when it comes to love, and history has featured many who claimed to be Christian but excelled at acts of hatred.
Quote: Even those who claim to be of God have done horrible things. We all make mistakes. Please do not make the Ghandi mistake and forsake the entire Gospel of Jesus Christ because of what a few misled people who claimed to be Christians have done.
That's not what Ghandi did, is it? He's quite famous for saying he rather liked Christ - it was just Christians he was unimpressed with.
I forsake the entire Gospel of Jesus Christ because it is not credible. It's a hodge-podge of garbled translations and retellings of pre-existing stories, mixed with historical anecdotes of varying degrees of accuracy. There is nothing in it that makes it more believable than the Koran, the Sutras, or Chariots of the Gods. When the 'source' is so compromised, one has no choice but to judge the religion by its supposed adherents.
And I find the majority of Christians to be extremely pleasant and moral people, and the sort of people that I enjoy spending time with. I feel similarly about Muslims and Hindus, and generally anybody who is intelligent and open-minded. Their belief systems play positive roles in their personalities, and that makes those systems valuable to me - but that value does not imply that they represent any sort of actual truth.
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Jack Smith
United Kingdom
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discoryno wrote: Funny comment Jack. Though I will ask this, how did he make all this money? Offerings?
His radio show had a 'give to us' slots. Still does actually. His website is gone/down but his radio show was up earlier, minus him.
Also Ryan, I have to take issue with this. You said 'Saying that something doesn't exist is based purely on an assumption, or as I would put it, faith.'
Do you seriously believe that or was it a throwaway line? There are billions of things I do not believe in, does that mean that I must have faith and believe anything? If I do not believe in Zeus does that mean I'm a person of faith and therefore open to anything without evidence?
It is these sorts of comments that cause massive misunderstanding and confusion. For me once you start to believe anything without reasonable evidence you have no limits to what you might believe. Camping is proof of that. That is why I find Faith very dangerous and Religion reinforces that.
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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Thanks for the reply Jack!
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Jack Smith
United Kingdom
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discoryno wrote: Thanks for the reply Jack!
This stupid site is full of so much spam and crappy scripts that it plays havoc with my browser. BGG sort yourself out! You are the only site I have these issues with. I keep losing what I type as I get a random redirect and it takes four back arrows to get to the previous page.
Anyway I added a bit since your reply as my post happened when I had not finished..
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Ryan Harlan
United States
Selma
Texas
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I sit corrected Andrew, you did say that. Forgive me, I'm a bit tired today.
You make valid points, all of them...logical. My point with my 'logic' comment was that logic is not all that, well, great. Logic has gotten people into lots of trouble. Also, my favorite example of logic, or lack thereof, is (at least in my belief) the creation of human beings. What an illogical species we are.
I feel that your comments would be better responded to by someone more mature in the faith than myself. I am young, a mere adolescent as it were, in my journey as a God-fearing man. While I have enjoyed hearing what you have to say, I will retire for now and welcome some comments from other BGG users.
P.S.- I in no way meant to imply that I am better than you, or anyone else. If you feel that you do not need love from a Christian, that's fine...we will love you anyway.
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Jack Smith
United Kingdom
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discoryno wrote: I sit corrected Andrew, you did say that. Forgive me, I'm a bit tired today. You make valid points, all of them...logical. My point with my 'logic' comment was that logic is not all that, well, great. Logic has gotten people into lots of trouble. Also, my favorite example of logic, or lack thereof, is (at least in my belief) the creation of human beings. What an illogical species we are. I feel that your comments would be better responded to by someone more mature in the faith than myself. I am young, a mere adolescent as it were, in my journey as a God-fearing man. While I have enjoyed hearing what you have to say, I will retire for now and welcome some comments from other BGG users. P.S.- I in no way meant to imply that I am better than you, or anyone else. If you feel that you do not need love from a Christian, that's fine...we will love you anyway.
Although not directed at me you were redirected to RSP. So we all tend to be a bit more assertive as Religion is part of the discussion people agree too. You also have no need to apologise, robust discussion does not need that and you come across as very polite.
EDIT: And of course we all love games, I think we can agree on that
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Posted Sun May 22, 2011 9:24 pm
