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I've been coming to bgg/rpggeek/videogamegeek for several months now and it's become a great place to keep track of my games, submit reviews and chat about my favorite hobby - gaming. Some interface issues aside, I'd say this website and community is wonderful, almost perfect. Almost you say? Well, I've got one pet peeve....
And because it sums it up better than I could in any other way, I'll post a conversation I had with
Jules
Belgium
Leuven
Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
me: hmm.. I wonder who at vgg I need to complain to, about their non-inclusion of visual novels
Julia: dunno, but it is intentional
me: I know it's intentional, which is why I want to complain
Julia: i tried to submit 'i'm sorry babe" and i got a mail back they decided to not include visual novels and they removed the category
just start a thread on general
me: I mean "play your own adventure" books are games right? And they have pretty much the same playability
And Ever17 made the RPGfan's top 20 list of rpg's (now I dont think that's entirely correct as it's definitely not an rpg, but it does show there's a gamer-interest in them)
Julia: not all of them have divering paths tho
some have just one path
me: I dont know any visual novels with only 1 ending. But then again I havent really looked
me: I must admit there's not a whole lot of gameplay in ever17. You're mostly reading. But then it does have 11 different endings. So it atleast has some interactive elements to set it apart from a normal book
Julia: Dinner date has a set ending
me: Interactive fiction games tend to only have 1 ending too tho and they're games
Ok, I dont know dinner date
Julia: but that has puzzles
me: not all of them... or barely. I agree that it's tricky. But personally I'd say that if it has any interactive elements (that can influence the game even if really slightly) it counts as a game
Julia: I don't disagree that they may not belong there, but i'm annoyed i don't have a place to catalogue what visual novels I have played 
me: Maybe they need to add "Visualnovelgeek" 
It's annoying, because bgg/videogamegeek/rpggeek have a database/collection of pretty much all the games I enjoy, EXCEPT those games.
so I feel your pain
And there are some really good ones out there that deserve more attention but cant get it because they dont "fit into a box".
me: But as long as they can be tagged separatly as being visual novels, I dont see a reason for not including them in their database. Except if they want to avoid people adding a ton of 18+ eroge games.
Julia: that didn't seem to be the problem
me: then I dont see why they would exclude these games.
The difference between visual novels and books is that in visual novels YOU are the main character. That makes it a game/immersive experience for me, even if there are not too many choices to make.
I guess I'll make a thread to rant about this at some point
Julia: it's a "x is not a game" discussion
me: yeah, unfortunately
I actually dont care much about that discussion, as long as they put them back in the database
Julia: hehe
me: maybe I'll just copy paste our discussion and make it a thread 
Julia: that's fine with me
me: ok, that saves me from writing up all these arguments over again
Julia: hehe
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Visual novels: Whether they fit in your definition of game or not, they're more closely related to videogames than to anything else. And they need a loving home. I hope videogamegeek is willing to give them a place again.
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Jules
Belgium
Leuven
Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
Hanlon's razor: Never attribute to malice that which is adequately explained by stupidity
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Free Visual Novels Zone! I have a dream! This is Sparta!
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M@tthijs
Netherlands
NOT
Holland
Earn tons of geekgold:...
...go to VGG and add videogames to the database
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That was a pretty graphic post!
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_Kael_ wrote: That was a pretty graphic post!
Hopefully by "graphic" you mean charming, exhaustive and convincing. 
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Andrew Hodkinson
Canada
Kemble
Ontario
兵者詭道也
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Wikipedia classes visual novels within video games, especially the Japanese-only ones that were for consoles.
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Alex
United States
Yellow Springs
Ohio
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Wait, visual novels aren't included? Why the hell not? I don't even like the genre, but that's silly.
I mean, look at what we've got in the database:
The Path
Wii Fit
Night Trap
Color a Dinosaur
Color A Motherfucking Dinosaur? I rest my case.
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Liecenced Panzer Jager, A-Exy, and SV-001 pilot
United States
Arlington
Texas
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If Mario Paint and 999 are in here, I don't see why visual novels wouldn't be.
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wrote: Color A Motherfucking Dinosaur? I rest my case.
Haha, you had me rolling over the floor with this comment. Thanks for your support!
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